http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery Tue, 07 Sep 2010 09:14:11 -0400 PhotoPost Pro 6.0 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10895 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10895" target="_blank"><img title="DSC05210.JPG" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/513/thumbs/DSC05210.JPG" alt="DSC05210.JPG" /></a><br /><br />by: jagmkx<br /><br />Description: Alfa Romeo Gran Sport. Rebuilt for client from partially melted, broken and poorly built original. Client wanted unpainted model body. jagmkx Sun, 05 Sep 2010 21:16:09 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10894 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10894" target="_blank"><img title="DSC04941.JPG" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/513/thumbs/DSC04941.JPG" alt="DSC04941.JPG" /></a><br /><br />by: jagmkx jagmkx Sun, 05 Sep 2010 21:16:08 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10892 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10892" target="_blank"><img title="DSC03533.JPG" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/DSC03533.JPG" alt="DSC03533.JPG" /></a><br /><br />by: jagmkx jagmkx Sun, 05 Sep 2010 21:16:07 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10893 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10893" target="_blank"><img title="DSC03533.JPG" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/DSC03533.JPG" alt="DSC03533.JPG" /></a><br /><br />by: jagmkx jagmkx Sun, 05 Sep 2010 21:16:07 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10890 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10890" target="_blank"><img title="DSC02430.JPG" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/DSC02430.JPG" alt="DSC02430.JPG" /></a><br /><br />by: jagmkx jagmkx Sun, 05 Sep 2010 21:16:06 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10891 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10891" target="_blank"><img title="DSC02430.JPG" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/DSC02430.JPG" alt="DSC02430.JPG" /></a><br /><br />by: jagmkx jagmkx Sun, 05 Sep 2010 21:16:06 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10887 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10887" target="_blank"><img title="DSC01912.JPG" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/719/thumbs/DSC01912.JPG" alt="DSC01912.JPG" /></a><br /><br />by: jagmkx jagmkx Sun, 05 Sep 2010 21:16:04 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10888 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10888" target="_blank"><img title="DSC01912.JPG" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/719/thumbs/DSC01912.JPG" alt="DSC01912.JPG" /></a><br /><br />by: jagmkx jagmkx Sun, 05 Sep 2010 21:16:04 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10889 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10889" target="_blank"><img title="DSC01912.JPG" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/719/thumbs/DSC01912.JPG" alt="DSC01912.JPG" /></a><br /><br />by: jagmkx jagmkx Sun, 05 Sep 2010 21:16:04 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10884 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10884" target="_blank"><img title="DSC01550.JPG" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/DSC01550.JPG" alt="DSC01550.JPG" /></a><br /><br />by: jagmkx<br /><br />Description: Custom engine turned plates. Custom display base. Model Motorcars cooling pipe. jagmkx Sun, 05 Sep 2010 21:16:01 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10885 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10885" target="_blank"><img title="DSC01550.JPG" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/DSC01550.JPG" alt="DSC01550.JPG" /></a><br /><br />by: jagmkx<br /><br />Description: Custom engine turned plates. Custom display base. Model Motorcars cooling pipe. jagmkx Sun, 05 Sep 2010 21:16:01 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10886 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10886" target="_blank"><img title="DSC01550.JPG" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/DSC01550.JPG" alt="DSC01550.JPG" /></a><br /><br />by: jagmkx<br /><br />Description: Custom engine turned plates. Custom display base. Model Motorcars cooling pipe. jagmkx Sun, 05 Sep 2010 21:16:01 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10883 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10883" target="_blank"><img title="DSCN9112.JPG" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/DSCN9112.JPG" alt="DSCN9112.JPG" /></a><br /><br />by: winglock<br /><br />Description: look at the primitive screws they used winglock Sun, 05 Sep 2010 06:19:07 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10882 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10882" target="_blank"><img title="TriesteOutboardProfile_good_.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/773/thumbs/TriesteOutboardProfile_good_.jpg" alt="TriesteOutboardProfile_good_.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: Caiella Caiella Fri, 03 Sep 2010 17:32:31 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10881 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10881" target="_blank"><img title="h95258.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/773/thumbs/h95258.jpg" alt="h95258.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: Caiella<br /><br />Description: Line drawings of Bathyscaphe Trieste and 3d images of the vessel. Caiella Fri, 03 Sep 2010 17:31:11 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10879 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10879" target="_blank"><img title="Trieste_Final_4.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/773/thumbs/Trieste_Final_4.jpg" alt="Trieste_Final_4.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: Caiella<br /><br />Description: Line drawings of Bathyscaphe Trieste and 3d images of the vessel. Caiella Fri, 03 Sep 2010 17:31:10 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10880 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10880" target="_blank"><img title="Trieste_Top_View.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/773/thumbs/Trieste_Top_View.jpg" alt="Trieste_Top_View.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: Caiella<br /><br />Description: Line drawings of Bathyscaphe Trieste and 3d images of the vessel. Caiella Fri, 03 Sep 2010 17:31:10 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10878 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10878" target="_blank"><img title="Trieste_Final_3.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/773/thumbs/Trieste_Final_3.jpg" alt="Trieste_Final_3.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: Caiella<br /><br />Description: Line drawings of Bathyscaphe Trieste and 3d images of the vessel. Caiella Fri, 03 Sep 2010 17:31:09 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10877 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10877" target="_blank"><img title="Trieste_Final_2.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/773/thumbs/Trieste_Final_2.jpg" alt="Trieste_Final_2.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: Caiella<br /><br />Description: Line drawings of Bathyscaphe Trieste and 3d images of the vessel. Caiella Fri, 03 Sep 2010 17:31:08 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10876 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10876" target="_blank"><img title="Trieste_Final.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/773/thumbs/Trieste_Final.jpg" alt="Trieste_Final.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: Caiella<br /><br />Description: Line drawings of Bathyscaphe Trieste and 3d images of the vessel. Caiella Fri, 03 Sep 2010 17:31:07 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10875 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10875" target="_blank"><img title="SSKL-Rueckspiegel-01.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/SSKL-Rueckspiegel-01.jpg" alt="SSKL-Rueckspiegel-01.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: winglock winglock Wed, 01 Sep 2010 13:27:15 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10874 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10874" target="_blank"><img title="SSKL-Fensterbeschlag-fertig.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/SSKL-Fensterbeschlag-fertig.jpg" alt="SSKL-Fensterbeschlag-fertig.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: winglock winglock Wed, 01 Sep 2010 13:27:13 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10873 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10873" target="_blank"><img title="P1010612.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/P1010612.jpg" alt="P1010612.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: winglock winglock Wed, 01 Sep 2010 13:26:41 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10872 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10872" target="_blank"><img title="P1010573.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/P1010573.jpg" alt="P1010573.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: winglock winglock Wed, 01 Sep 2010 13:26:32 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10871 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10871" target="_blank"><img title="P1010538.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/P1010538.jpg" alt="P1010538.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: winglock winglock Wed, 01 Sep 2010 13:26:22 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10870 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10870" target="_blank"><img title="P1010536.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/P1010536.jpg" alt="P1010536.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: winglock winglock Wed, 01 Sep 2010 13:26:11 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10869 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10869" target="_blank"><img title="P1010533.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/P1010533.jpg" alt="P1010533.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: winglock winglock Wed, 01 Sep 2010 13:26:01 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10868 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10868" target="_blank"><img title="P1010532.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/P1010532.jpg" alt="P1010532.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: winglock winglock Wed, 01 Sep 2010 13:25:52 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10867 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10867" target="_blank"><img title="P1010521.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/P1010521.jpg" alt="P1010521.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: winglock winglock Wed, 01 Sep 2010 13:25:40 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10866 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10866" target="_blank"><img title="P1010518.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/P1010518.jpg" alt="P1010518.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: winglock winglock Wed, 01 Sep 2010 13:25:29 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10865 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10865" target="_blank"><img title="P1010517.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/P1010517.jpg" alt="P1010517.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: winglock winglock Wed, 01 Sep 2010 13:25:18 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10863 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10863" target="_blank"><img title="P10105041.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/P10105041.jpg" alt="P10105041.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: winglock winglock Wed, 01 Sep 2010 13:25:09 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10864 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10864" target="_blank"><img title="P10105041.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/P10105041.jpg" alt="P10105041.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: winglock winglock Wed, 01 Sep 2010 13:25:09 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10861 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10861" target="_blank"><img title="01-SSKL-Stand-1992.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/535/thumbs/01-SSKL-Stand-1992.jpg" alt="01-SSKL-Stand-1992.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: winglock winglock Wed, 01 Sep 2010 12:06:07 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10862 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10862" target="_blank"><img title="01-SSKL-Stand-1992.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/535/thumbs/01-SSKL-Stand-1992.jpg" alt="01-SSKL-Stand-1992.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: winglock winglock Wed, 01 Sep 2010 12:06:07 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10860 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10860" target="_blank"><img title="camel41.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/648/thumbs/camel41.jpg" alt="camel41.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: xken xken Sat, 21 Aug 2010 07:03:01 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10859 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10859" target="_blank"><img title="camel31.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/648/thumbs/camel31.jpg" alt="camel31.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: xken xken Sat, 21 Aug 2010 07:02:57 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10858 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10858" target="_blank"><img title="camel21.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/648/thumbs/camel21.jpg" alt="camel21.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: xken xken Sat, 21 Aug 2010 07:02:53 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10857 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10857" target="_blank"><img title="camel11.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/648/thumbs/camel11.jpg" alt="camel11.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: xken xken Sat, 21 Aug 2010 07:02:50 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10856 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10856" target="_blank"><img title="Clerget_9Z_100hp_Side_X.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/648/thumbs/Clerget_9Z_100hp_Side_X.jpg" alt="Clerget_9Z_100hp_Side_X.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: xken xken Sat, 21 Aug 2010 06:51:52 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10855 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10855" target="_blank"><img title="Tractor_Airscrew_RH_for_130_Clerget.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/648/thumbs/Tractor_Airscrew_RH_for_130_Clerget.jpg" alt="Tractor_Airscrew_RH_for_130_Clerget.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: xken xken Sat, 21 Aug 2010 06:38:17 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10854 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10854" target="_blank"><img title="Sopwith_F1_Camel_Fuselage1.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/648/thumbs/Sopwith_F1_Camel_Fuselage1.jpg" alt="Sopwith_F1_Camel_Fuselage1.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: xken xken Sat, 21 Aug 2010 06:38:12 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10853 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10853" target="_blank"><img title="Sopwith_F1_Camel_Tail1.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/648/thumbs/Sopwith_F1_Camel_Tail1.jpg" alt="Sopwith_F1_Camel_Tail1.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: xken xken Sat, 21 Aug 2010 06:30:28 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10852 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10852" target="_blank"><img title="Sopwith_F1_Camel_Fuselage_Side_Top1.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/648/thumbs/Sopwith_F1_Camel_Fuselage_Side_Top1.jpg" alt="Sopwith_F1_Camel_Fuselage_Side_Top1.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: xken xken Sat, 21 Aug 2010 06:30:26 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10851 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10851" target="_blank"><img title="Sopwith_F1_Camel_Front.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/648/thumbs/Sopwith_F1_Camel_Front.jpg" alt="Sopwith_F1_Camel_Front.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: xken xken Sat, 21 Aug 2010 06:30:20 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10850 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10850" target="_blank"><img title="Sopwith_F1_Camel.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/648/thumbs/Sopwith_F1_Camel.jpg" alt="Sopwith_F1_Camel.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: xken xken Sat, 21 Aug 2010 06:30:18 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10849 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10849" target="_blank"><img title="Proof_2a.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/772/thumbs/Proof_2a.jpg" alt="Proof_2a.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: Caiella<br /><br />Description: Proof of the Camel based on Kagero drawings. Caiella Fri, 20 Aug 2010 18:12:12 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10848 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10848" target="_blank"><img title="DSC03806x1.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/772/thumbs/DSC03806x1.jpg" alt="DSC03806x1.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: Caiella<br /><br />Description: This is the profile I was referring to for the fuselage sections. Caiella Fri, 20 Aug 2010 18:12:04 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10847 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10847" target="_blank"><img title="CamelProfx2.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/772/thumbs/CamelProfx2.jpg" alt="CamelProfx2.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: Caiella<br /><br />Description: Proof of the Camel based on Kagero drawings. Note the paucity of detail for the horizontal stab and the significant relief above the fuselage for the vertical stab. If I drop it down to its correct height, the rudder bottom extends far below the fuselage. Obviously, something is wrong. Caiella Fri, 20 Aug 2010 18:11:55 -0400 http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10846 <a href="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10846" target="_blank"><img title="IMG_0672.jpg" border="0" src="http://www.scalemotorcars.com/gallery/data/535/thumbs/IMG_0672.jpg" alt="IMG_0672.jpg" /></a><br /><br />by: Grandad Grandad Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:23:40 -0400