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        Re: HMS Victory
        In my opinion,HMS Victory,by Noel CL Hackney is the best by far as a guide to the step by step rigging of this ship and other English ships-of-the-line.It was written by a modeler for other modelers .I have all the other books on modeling Victory but this little book, that I paid $1.98 for new in a hobby store 35 years ago ,is the best.Unfortunately they now only come up on the secondary market and only occasionally and they want up to $150.00 bucks for it.There are only 7 libraries in the world that stock it and there was only one printing made in the English language in 1970,the others are in German.If anyone knows how to put a little pressure on the owners of the rights to this book,please do so. Mr Hackney was foremost a modeler and he went to a lot of effort to make sure this information was available to modelers.I am sure that he would be very unhappy today to see the price that modelers have to pay and to whom the money is going.I am sure that in his lifetime it wasn't him.
        Check it out on the web ISBN 0 85059 053 1.

        I personally used his book over a 30 year period when building my own Victory and I don't think that I would have finished it as easily or as accurately as I did without it.It is a real shame that it will not be available to future modelers.And no I am not selling mine.
        Thanks Noel!
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      Quote Originally Posted by little gü View Post
      Hello John
      I`m following every one of your threads, but this is the one, I`m waiting for.
      Actually I`m building the Victory - in XS (1/200). I know, not a big scale.
      I`ve now finished the planking of the hull. This thread will be a great help for the rigging of my ship.
      be sure, I`ll ask you a lot of questions. ;';;';
      cheers
      little gü
      Hi!That's wonderful ,glad to hear that this will be helpful to you.
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      11-26-09, 03:09 PM #17
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      Step 1-Pendants

      Longridge -Text P228, Plan # 8

      Hackney-Text P61,# Fig 20

      The first item of rigging to go on the lower masts are the pendants,each consisting of a length of rope with an eye in the end.On both fore and main masts there are two of them each of 11" rope(TPI).On the mizzen there is but a single one of only 5" (TPI)The starboard side is put on first with the aft leg of each pair hanging lower than the other.These pendants come down to roughly the third mastband below the cheeks.The single pair on the mizzen are single spliced instead of using seizings.
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      11-26-09, 06:34 PM #18
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      Step 2-Foremast shrouds.

      Longridge P219-33 plan#8

      Hackney P61 Fig 36

      Note: there is a definite sequence for rigging the shrouds.
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      Step #4

      Bowsprit Shrouds:

      Longridge P226 Plate 72 (excellent picture)

      Hackney P62 Fig 13

      Attach four 14" hearts to the bowsprit.Two collars of 8" rope each carry a pair of these hearts mounted one on each side of the bowsprit.
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      11-27-09, 09:43 AM #20
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      Please note:

      If I have time and live long enough,I plan to expand upon each step in the future( based upon Hackneys book.)
      Last edited by JohnReid; 11-27-09 at 12:28 PM.
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      Last edited by JohnReid; 12-10-09 at 10:47 AM.
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      11-27-09, 10:23 AM #22
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      Step 5 Mainstay.

      Longridge P220-21. Plan 8. Plate 74.

      Hackney P62 .Plate 11.

      Lead a length of 14" rope down through one of the two rear slots of the marines walk,down through the angled drilling in the knighthead ,through the large hole in the gammoning knee, up through the other knighthead and up through the other rear slot in the marines walk.Seize the two ends around a 26" heart .Then lead a length of 19" rope up through the maintop round the back of the masthead and down through the other side of the main top.Seize a second 26" heart in the free end.Lead this end down to the starboard of the foremast and reeve the two hearts together with 6" rope ,tying the end around the turns.

      Please note:When the mainstay has been rigged attach a 16" single block to each side of its collar close under the main top just forward of the lower shrouds.These blocks will be used for the fore braces at a later stage.

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      11-28-09, 09:27 AM #23
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      Last edited by JohnReid; 12-10-09 at 11:30 AM.
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      11-28-09, 10:37 AM #24
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      Step 6 Main Preventer Stay.

      Longridge P221-22.

      Hackney P62 Fig 13

      Install this above the mainstay in the same way as step 5,but placing the first length of rope around the bowsprit only and through the forward slot in the marines walk.Use 17" hearts and 13" rope for the preventer stay itself.
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      11-28-09, 10:39 AM #25
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      Step 7. Forestay

      Longridge P221-22 Plan 8

      Hackney P62 Fig 45.

      Using a 9 1/2" rope attach a 26"heart above the bowsprit just ahead of the aftermost bobstay.Place a length of 18" rope around the foremast head .Seize a second 26" heart in the other end and reeve the two hearts together with 6" rope.
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      Step 8. Fore preventer stay

      Hackney P62 Fig 45

      Longridge P222 Plan 8

      Attach this stay above the forestay, use a 6 1/2" rope for the bowsprit collar just ahead of the middle bobstay,11 1/2" rope for the stay itself and two 16"hearts .Reeve the two hearts together using 4 1/2" rope.
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      Step 9 Snaking

      Hackney P62 plate 11 (excellent pic)

      Longridge P222 Fig 151

      Using a 2" rope snake together the forestay and the fore preventer stay.The snaking is continuous from just above the upper hearts to just below the knot where the stays divide around the masthead.It is tied around one stay ,taken to the other and tied around that then back again to the other and so on.
      The mainstay and the main preventer stay should also be snaked the same way.


      Note: the snaking could be done now or later but sometime before starting the running rigging.I like to leave it till later Why? because I don't permanently fasten down the standing rigging at this time but do it only when it is all completed.
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      Last edited by JohnReid; 12-10-09 at 11:52 AM.
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      11-29-09, 11:41 AM #29
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      Hi John, I'm working on the AL Victory after a heavy tool fell off a shelf and destroyed my Corel Victory at the early stages of rigging. I will be following this booklet closely, but the term 'snaking' has me a little confused. Are you referring to 'ratlines'?
      11-29-09, 05:40 PM #30
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      Step 10 Mizzen Stay

      Hackney P62 Fig 45


      Longridge P222 Plan 6
      Step 10 Mizzen Stay

      Hackney P62 Fig 45


      Longridge P222 Plan 6

      81/2 " rope set up from mizzen masthead and leading forward and down to tie in a loop around the mainmast.The other end then ties off to the deck eyebolt aft of the mainmast.
      Last edited by JohnReid; 12-21-09 at 10:22 AM.
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      11-30-09, 11:19 AM #31
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