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      During the many years that I spend building Victory I kept a day to day log of the building sequence, including the standing and running rigging.During the time that I was researching the rigging I found lots of information but most of it was quite confusing as to the actual sequence of how to get it up in the right order.I was quite amazed that in the end the following sequence really worked for me .There was only a couple of minor lines that were not belayed at the foot of the main mast but because of accessibility issues I had to belay them to the shroud cleats instead.Not bad when you consider that I was a beginner at this and secured each line down permanently as I went along,which could have been a disaster.
      It has been 10 years since I finished Victory and many more since I researched it.There may be much more information out there on this subject today that I am not aware of and if so please advise me if I would be wasting my time in doing this.Cheers! John.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnReid View Post
    During the many years that I spend building Victory I kept a day to day log of the building sequence, including the standing and running rigging.During the time that I was researching the rigging I found lots of information but most of it was quite confusing as to the actual sequence of how to get it up in the right order.I was quite amazed that in the end the following sequence really worked for me .There was only a couple of minor lines that were not belayed at the foot of the main mast but because of accessibility issues I had to belay them to the shroud cleats instead.Not bad when you consider that I was a beginner at this and secured each line down permanently as I went along,which could have been a disaster.
    It has been 10 years since I finished Victory and many more since I researched it.There may be much more information out there on this subject today that I am not aware of and if so please advise me if I would be wasting my time in doing this.Cheers! John.
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    Well I guess things have not changed that much for the beginner.I remember just how confused I was when I first started to learn about rigging a ship.Luckily I kept a log of the rigging sequence that I used for Victory which really seemed to work out well for me.I just turned 68 years old, so before I head for the "happy hunting ground" and someone tosses it in the dumpster, I might as well pass it on to other beginners out there.
    Although the following describes Victory it could be used, in whole or in part for any other square rigged man-of-war of the era.
    I used many references of which "The Anatomy of Nelson's Ship" was the primary source.If you have not already done so I would pick up a copy as this thread will be based upon its contents.It is a great book but it does lack a clear sequence about where to start and how to finish and in what order ,which is of primary concern to any beginning rigger.It has a great index of nautical terms primarily concerned with this era of English warship and wonderful plans,figures and plates of Victory.
    There are some who disagree about some minor points about what line was belayed where etc....but for the most part this can be considered the bible on Victory.
    At first I plan just to list the sequence of the rigging itself. I am assuming that your ship model has all the belaying points etc.. already established.Later if all goes well ,I will expand upon each step as to rope sizes,belaying points etc...
    Well here goes,I hope you enjoy it .....Cheers! John.
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    1-lower mast pendants
    2-lower mast shrouds(no ratlines)
    3-bobstays(at head)
    4-bowsprit shrouds
    5-mainstay
    6-main preventer stay
    7-forestay
    8-fore preventer stay
    9-snaking
    10-mizzen stay
    11-mizzen preventer stay
    12-jeer blocks(fore and main masts)
    13-jib boom horses
    14-topmast pendants
    15-breast backstays
    16-standing backstays
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    Rigging Sequence cont............

    16-standing backstays
    a-fore topmast
    b-main topmast
    c-mizzen topmast
    17-shifting backstays
    a-fore topmast
    b-main topmast
    c-mizzen topmast
    18-foretopmast preventer stat
    19-foretopmast stay
    20-maintopmast stay
    21-maintopmast preventer stay
    22-mizzen topmast stat
    23-topgallant shrouds

    To be cont........
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    24-topgallant backstays
    25-topgallant shifting backstays
    26-jibstay
    27-foretopgallant stay
    28-main topgallant stay
    29-mizzen topgallant stay
    30-flying jib boom horses
    31-bowsprit horses
    32-flying jib stay
    33-fore royal backstay
    34-main royal backstay
    35-mizzen royal backstay
    36-main royal stay
    37-mizzen royal stay
    38-inner martingale
    to be cont...........
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    Good gravy, if I ever tried that, I think I'd go blind in a week. That's what I call superdetailing. Great work, John.
    Sometimes a handful of patience is worth more than a truck load of brains. Have the courage to trust your own beliefs. Don't be swayed by those with louder voices. W.S. Maugham :)
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    The best book on rigging sequence that I am aware of is in a book that I picked up over 30 years ago in a hobby shop called HMS Victory,Classic Ships,Their history and how to model them #1. by Noel C.L. Hackney. ISBN 0 85059 053 1
    I picked up this book for $1.95 back then.It is probably long out of print but I know that it was available up until a few years ago when I passed this info on to a another modeler and he managed to find a copy somewhere.
    It was published in 1970 by
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    London EC1,England.
    in association with Airfix Products Ltd,London SW18,England.
    If anyone finds a supplier ,please let me know.Good luck ! Cheers. John.

    You may also want to try:
    - The Airfix Tribute Forum - :: Index
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    39-Outer martingale
    40-flying martingale
    41-Fore royal stay
    42-Jib traveller outhauler
    43-Spritsail yard halyard
    44-Jib boom travelling tguys
    45-Jib boom guy pendants
    46-Flying jib boom guys
    47-Boomkin shrouds
    This completes the Standing Rigging.(some exceptions will be noted later)
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