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      After a 6 month "sabbatical", I have begun to cut plastic again. I'll be making a model of the newly restored Lil Coffin in 1/6 scale. I've started the DeSoto Engine taking my measurements off the 1/24 scale engine but my biggest problem is not being able to find good pics of said Desoto engine. It's supposed to be a 329 cu. in. engine which makes sense to me after seeing some of the differences between DeSotos and Chrysler hemis. Does anyone know where I can get some good pictures of the engine close up and personal so I can put in some fine detail? Thanks in advance if you know of any.

      This project is going to take me some time so I don't get burned out again. Stay tuned for the progress.
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  1. Daytonatim's Avatar VIP/Sponsor
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    1/6th scale......!!!

    Man this thing is going to be huge!
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    Jeff...I think you mean 331 cu. in.
    Here's a few links to go the juices flowing....be careful, some of the early Hemis had part of the bell-housing cast into the block and there are three basic Hemi groups...THEY ARE DIFFERENT!

    http://www.powerplayhemi.com/hemi_in..._complete.html
    Chrysler Corporation Early Hemi Engines
    Rebuilding an early Hemi engine - Crankshaft Coalition Wiki
    Hemi Engine - Models, Types & Descriptions - Hot Rod Magazine
    Early Hemi V8 Engine 3ds - royalty free 3d models and textures by ajwheels

    I'm hoping you're going 1/6th......what a knock out that would be.....Hmmmmmm now you have me thinking about a scratch built The New Lil Coffin 1/6th Boot Hill Express...what a great woodworking project. Oh, no, no no I'd better get back to what I have on the table now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daytonatim View Post
    1/6th scale......!!!

    Man this thing is going to be huge!

    And very very [B]RED[/B]

    I figure, what the heck. Don is right. I can see the parts better and they're much easier to shaped right and smooth. I'm going to take a totally different approach than I've been doing. I know we talk about each sub assembly as a model in itself but I haven't been practicing this. That's what contributed to the burnout. I'm going to try and stick with that as much as possible. That way, this won't be so complicated.

    Thanks Don for the help. I had a feeling that I was barking up the wrong tree The New Lil Coffin . I forget where I read it but the writeup said 329 which I thought was a typo meaning 392. When I checked it out in the Hemi book, it confirmed that the DeSoto was smaller than the Chrysler and no parts were interchangeable. That's why I figured 3239 might be right. The 331 sounds a lot more correct to me. I'll check out those sites and see what's what.

    Another thing is that I'm not going to make engine internals like I did with the Olds. That's going to invite handling so you can see the parts. As we all know, handling leads to model damage which I definitely don't need. Plus, I'd be making myself a lot more work that will only frustrate me in the end. More to come.
    Sometimes a handful of patience is worth more than a truck load of brains. Have the courage to trust your own beliefs. Don't be swayed by those with louder voices. W.S. Maugham :)
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    Good luck Jeff. I look forward to seeing your work on this thing. It's going to be cool!
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    Thanks Steve. It's going to be a long road but someone's gotta do it.
    Sometimes a handful of patience is worth more than a truck load of brains. Have the courage to trust your own beliefs. Don't be swayed by those with louder voices. W.S. Maugham :)
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    I read with interest about a 1/6th scale Li'l Coffin being built, and another contributor dreaming about building the Boot Hill Express in a big scale.
    Wouldn't one of Monogram's 1/8th scale Model T's lend itself well to making a model of the 'Uncertain T' show rod. It's set me off thinking now about how great it would look in a really large scale.
    Does the 'Uncertain T' still exist? Anyone got any idea of its whereabouts and or pics of the original? Would be most interested to see if anyone has any info.
    Also any info and pics about the original Boot Hill Express show rod. I still have my little Monogram 1/24th scale model from many years ago.
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    Noel...there's a lot of (google) info available on the express...if you are serious about building one you need to hook up with Rich....he is up close and personal with it and I'm sure he'd be more than happy share what he knows.
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    Jeff, as you can see there is a lot of interest in this thread and you've made it clear that this is a long term project. That being said, and to hopefully keep you from detailing yourself into another burn out dilemma let me offer a few suggestions that work for me.
    You seem to want to start with the engine, that's cool. I would rough out the block, heads, etc. and then set it aside. Next rough out your frame....no detail at this point.
    This would give you chunks to start a mock up with.
    In the hobby time that you have if you "feel" like it, you could do detail work as the mood allows. It'll be a lot easier and less stressful if you have a rough platform to fit the body to. If you tackle the body then have to make the chassis work and develop the stance in hind site...not cool. In other words......plan your work and then work your plan...I heard that somewhere. Get my drift? If you have all the chunks....detail is easy at your own chosen speed.
    Sure Mario can detail the crap out of a part and everything works in harmony but the rest of us have to follow our own piper. Happy modeling buddy.
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    Thanks for the feedback Don.
    Anyone have any idea if the Monogram 'Tijuana Taxi' was based on a real show car?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Garrett View Post
    Jeff, as you can see there is a lot of interest in this thread and you've made it clear that this is a long term project. That being said, and to hopefully keep you from detailing yourself into another burn out dilemma let me offer a few suggestions that work for me.
    You seem to want to start with the engine, that's cool. I would rough out the block, heads, etc. and then set it aside. Next rough out your frame....no detail at this point.
    This would give you chunks to start a mock up with.
    In the hobby time that you have if you "feel" like it, you could do detail work as the mood allows. It'll be a lot easier and less stressful if you have a rough platform to fit the body to. If you tackle the body then have to make the chassis work and develop the stance in hind site...not cool. In other words......plan your work and then work your plan...I heard that somewhere. Get my drift? If you have all the chunks....detail is easy at your own chosen speed.
    Sure Mario can detail the crap out of a part and everything works in harmony but the rest of us have to follow our own piper. Happy modeling buddy.
    That sounds like a great way to work. I've got the block roughed out already. I'll be ready to attack the chassis today or tomorrow. I have a question. When I was working out the big Lincoln, it was suggested before by you and Mario that I make the chassis out of metal. Would you guys recommend me do the same with the Coffin? My soldering skills with the torch and the iron are pretty good at this point.
    Sometimes a handful of patience is worth more than a truck load of brains. Have the courage to trust your own beliefs. Don't be swayed by those with louder voices. W.S. Maugham :)
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    If you are going 1/6th....brass for sure (in my mind). In 1/8th, your call. If you go with plastic...triangulate inside the frame rails and box them for a finished look, plenty strong enough to support a 1/8th build. You could use properly braced plastic for the 1/6th but brass takes away any doubt.
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  12. If you do the Coffin in 1/8 you can use the deuce rails! It still had a highly modified 32 chassis. If you can wait for awhile I will get REALLY good pics. of everything memorial weekend or maybe a little sooner. I might be traveling there with Fritz to drop off the Outlaw after the Detroit Autoramma. By the way if anyone lives in the Detroit area Darryl is builder of the year and the Coffin will be there! As far as the boothill I have some so-so detail pics. of Number1. Remember there are 2 Boothills!!! Number1 is the car that is now in the collection south of Reno. Number2 The one that did Wheelstands is at the Peterson collection in Cali. THERE ARE DIFFERENCES!!! Mainly the frame. Number1 If I remember ran a desoto hemi and 2 ran a 392 Chrysler. Madd took my boothill kit and layed all the parts out on his scanner and blew them up to 1/8 And one of these days I was going to do it myself. 1/6th would be way kool!!!!!!!! Here are a couple of detail pics.I got when number 1 was at Volo a few years back. I have 24 total. Also the pinstiping is not orig. Barris put that crap on it when he owned it . I should have bought it from Ray in 87 when I could have had it for 18grand!! The guy in Reno payed WAYmore than that!!
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    Thanks ever so much Rich. Whatever pics you can get would be most appreciated. I will be eternally grateful. I can wait to do the chassis if you think it would be a good idea to wait for the pics. I can always work on something else. I'm definitely going to do justice to the Coffin. Wait until you see how the interior comes out. I've got a beautiful piece of white naugahyde and I may be able to get my hands on some snow white leather. Meanwhile, I'm working on the DeSoto. As soon as it has some nice shape, I'll snap a few photos. Thanks to all who will hang in for this haul.
    Sometimes a handful of patience is worth more than a truck load of brains. Have the courage to trust your own beliefs. Don't be swayed by those with louder voices. W.S. Maugham :)
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    Something didn't work right here. I was quoting a message posted by Noel, but all that came up was gibberish. And for some reason, this forum thinks that the "*****" part of my hot The New Lil Coffin rod's name is a forbidden word. Oh well.

    In my reply I said that yes, "The Uncertain-T" still exists, and so do I, and to go to my website at SteveScottsUncer***** dot com.
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