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    1. Kit: Pocher, by (Yearly Subscriber) Jo NZ is offline
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      I used to work with some nice people who owned a model shop (Grand Prix Models) that sold Pocher kits. In the 1980s I built the Rolls Torpedo Cabriolet and the first Bugatti T50 as display models (where are they now?) and an Alfa Muletto for a customer. The Alfa was far and away the worst of the three - not surprisingly, as the kit was probably 20 years older than the Bugatti. I alway wanted to build a Pocher for myself, but have only recently got around to it, so I bought - you guessed it - The Alfa! I love the shape, and it's far enough away now to forget trying to wrestle the firewall into the chassis using all three hands.
      I discovered this forum while I was looking for an Alfa kit, and have taken on board the trials, tribulations and modifications made by all on the forum - with particular thanks to Dougritt, his thread really got me moving on the Alfa.

      Basic starting point - I wanted to build one in Burgundy red with swept front wings but the Monza tail. This was (still is?) the target:

      Pocher 1/8 Alfa Monza revisited-ref-337-jpg

      Of course it will probably change through the build....

      PS When selling the Pocher kits, we [I]always[/I] got asked what tools were needed to build it. The stock answer was - a small screwdriver - and a good Psychiatrist....


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    also, on many of these racer there are 3 louvers on the drivers side upper couling, if you made 3 louvers on a square piece to replace the same square of plastic removed from the couling it covers an area that many modeler have left out/not done. (not me)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jbdeerwood View Post
    also, on many of these racer there are 3 louvers on the drivers side upper couling, if you made 3 louvers on a square piece to replace the same square of plastic removed from the couling it covers an area that many modeler have left out/not done. (not me)
    I had thought that the 3 louvres were only on some of the Monzas - but a great many seem to have them! My go-to reference if I need a decision is the 1932 Nuvolari Targa Florio car - and as far as I can see, it doesn't have them (nor does it have deflector "wings" behind the front wheels) Does anyone know better?

    Here's the Nuvolari car...

    Pocher 1/8 Alfa Monza revisited-31nuvolari-jpg

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    [h=1]TAZIO NUVOLARI SBANDATA CONTROLLATA "DRIFTING" a utube item which show 3 louvres behind the wind screen, with Targa sitting in the car, about 1931 or 1933; I can't get a smaller font?[/h]
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    Hay Jo, I saved up my pennies and bought the three volume Simon Moore monster!

    There Mr Moore documents the different series of 2300s. Beyond long, short and Monza.

    Some of the earliest Monzas did not have the surrounding slots on the radiator shell.

    Its going to take me a while to digest these books.

    In the least the end papers show the chassis blueprints with legible dimensions!
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    In volume two there is a photograph of a Monza that has rolled.

    Not super clear, but it show the dirt shields around the engine and clear enough image of the fuel tank fins.

    Jens asked if those might be a Zagato design? Iím beginning to think that they are.
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    Well here's the answer to the fuel tank. They're not fins, but bulges. I think the fins just replicate the shape on replica tanks.

    Original Alfa drawings...

    Pocher 1/8 Alfa Monza revisited-fuel-tank-jpg

    Pocher 1/8 Alfa Monza revisited-fuel-tank-baffles-jpg


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    WOW!

    Where did those come from???

    do you have these, or were you sent theses pictures?

    Pretty cool! -thanks for posting!
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    Pocher 1/8 Alfa Monza revisited-img_7239-2-jpg

    The above image is from the 3 volume super book.

    -and in it, a period photo, you'll see the "fins" and the lower fuel tank contour.

    Just like in your blue-prints!
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    How's your Italian?
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    A quick tracing. "Fins" and belly of actual fuel cell.

    Pocher 1/8 Alfa Monza revisited-img_7669-2-jpg
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    I see the fins in the picture of the dead Alfa, but the drawings show the tank. These drawings appeared on Facebook today....


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    First of all, again, thank you for sharing this!

    -and respectfully, I think that the tank and fins are shown. The double line indicating a rolled over edge, and the inclined line shows the bottom profile of the actual fuel tank.

    At the top left of the second group of images, I believe that is the bracket at the front "corners" of the fuel tank, fastening the outer skin? Perhaps that is the sole reason for the second skin? -a way to add more protection to the fuel cell, and to more securely mount the fuel tank to the frame? Additional wood plinths are not used as was the standard with rival Bugatti.
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    Follow the inclined line up to the left and you'll see the edge on view of that "Bow-tie" bracket. At that point it attaches to the underside of the fuel tank, twists, and slides under the vertical member of the part of that bracket that holds the outer skin? -making what could have been thought of as a strap into a blanket?
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    Hi Don
    I agree that the detail drawings show the front bracket - here it is

    Pocher 1/8 Alfa Monza revisited-fuel-tank2-jpg

    I realise that there are versions with fins, but I can't see the fins on the cross sections (right of the main drawing). If what you say is the fin is the fuel tank profile, it would never drain (the drain is the angled pipe at the rear of the tank). Whatever, I'm not building another one!

    Now a bit of Humour- your use of "respectfully" brought to mind something that was pinned above my desk at work. Unfortunately it's very close to the truth....

    Pocher 1/8 Alfa Monza revisited-british-mean-jpg


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    Yes, yes, yes, citizens of the Commonwealth Nations, and America, have so much in common. (Except the language!)



    (And more Copper rivets? is that a Steel or Aluminium fuel tank?)
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