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      It is not my intent to start this "New" project right away,(I have as of yet to put two Model A parts together) but in collecting references I noticed a detail I thought I should share.

      I do not know if this is unique or if it is a feature common to all the 8C engine blocks? -The hollow access on the underside of the motor mounts that extend to the chassis rails?


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  1. Roger Zimmermann's Avatar Yearly Subscriber
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    I saw in the galerie some pictures with tubes to construct a honeycomb radiator. Is that from you? How will the bubes be attached together: glue, soft soldering?
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    Hi Roger,

    The pictures you saw of the "honey-Comb" cells, are of the real thing. I found those pictures online, and thought that others might be interested.

    That type of radiator is typical of Bugatti and many others. The Alfa Romeo Monza has a square cell structure to its radiators, and someone would have to be almost as crazy as you to attempt replicating it!

    I did find some commercially made aluminum honeycomb that I will use when ever I start back up on the Type 53 Bugatti that I want to build. -It is not perfect but when seen as a component of a complete model, I do not think it will appear out of place.

    -Don

    PS, How crazy have the people on the Continental Forum gone? regarding your latest posted photos? I think we should add a new award here on our forum, for Model of the Year, Years? Decade? Your work is the BEST!


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    Thanks for the explanation about the radiator! I was thinking it was a model…
    The reaction at the Continental forum are rather timid because only those who pay the small amount over $12 per year can see the subject. I had much more reactions when all categories were free to all.
    It's different in the AACA forum where I have now about 380'000 views. There are usually many comments when I publish something new.
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    Hello Roger, et al.

    Some videos that show how its done.







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    Don, thanks for the videos! quite work extensive, amazing that there are still people doing that in our age of aluminum and plastic.
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    A question for everybody who happens to be an ALFA ROMEO RADIATOR EXPERT.

    In the below pic. (sorry for the poor reproduction!) A copy of the Monza general arrangement drawing, notice the rearward slant of the radiator. I thought that this was perhaps something seen only on the Touring cars, or maybe just some of the modern recreations? But now I'm beginning to wonder. Every picture online that shows some of this area, shows the radiator to be slanted back. And the only plans that I can find, show only this same condition. Is it possible the fine people at Pocher, chose to simplify construction of that part of their model kit, or were the earliest MONZAs of a vertical type?




    The base of the radiator does seem to be fabricated with vertical fronts and backs, the upper-most structure not quit, but the core does have about ten degrees of lean.

    I guess it's not important, but it might just be one more area were a modeler could improve upon these kits.


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    . . . at the other end of things; -the tail end of the body, and a primed suggestion that the "fins" are part of a continuous surface laid upon the fuel tank like a saddle blanket.

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    And returning to the questions I have about the radiator. It does appear that the recently made replicas do have the front surface of the radiator laying back in parallel to the front fascia of the radiator cowl.

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    This might seem to be a distraction, but I have been playing with Nickle-Silver, and I am liking the results.

    This first image is of a bit of scrap that I soldered to some Bronze and then sand ALFA ROMEO 8C 2300 ENGINE MODEL - 1/4th SCALE -blasted.

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    -and this second picture is of the polished appearance of Nickle-Silver, somewhat similar to Stainless Steel, different alloys have varying levels of "yellow-ish, ness"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MODEL A MODEL View Post
    Welcome to Jens Andersen!!
    Thank you so much. Better late than never. This 1/4 scale looks superb !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jo NZ View Post
    The modeller from down under is as confused as you are...

    But first - five different kits
    K71 - Monza
    K73 - Spyder
    K78 - Muletto
    K81 -Mille Miglia
    K89 - Coupe Elegant

    As for the front spring - I understood that the axle is not centred on the front spring on the Monza, and that the wheelbase on the Monza and the Spyder are the same, with different dumb iron lengths. Happy to be corrected....

    On the front crankcase support - Pocher model the attachment to the radiator cross member as a buttressed horizontal extension to the front crank bearing cover. Is it actually part of the crankcase?
    Apologies, I am a little late to this show.
    First of all, thanks for all the research done. Lots of usable information in this thread. Keep it coming.

    I quoted the above because there is a 6th Pocher model around: K92 Coupe Dinner jacket
    in essence it is a Coupe Elegant, but completely black and without wire wheels.
    Greetings,

    Poul
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    Hello! Thank you for the info. Incidentally, I have just received the 3 volume Simon Moore magnum. -it is enormous!!!

    I skimmed through it all last night, and it is very complete as a history of every original car, but does not help the modeler. A few photos to dissect and as I read through it, who knows what I will discover?


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    Ahh, the Moore books. I too have the set.
    Nice books with plans for both the short and long wheel base versions on the inside covers.
    These have readible measurements too and will help you, I guess.
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    I hope.

    I was hoping for more. Engine dimensions, details of the radiators construction, maybe an explanation as to the fuel tank construction?


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    I just this Saturday received some new and very clear photos of an engine, displayed I assume in a museum.

    My personal computer is down, so at first I could not appreciate how great these photos are.

    I am using my phone to post this message, and the ability to do this is wonderful, it does have its limits!


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